Pardon My French

topic posted Wed, July 27, 2005 - 11:02 PM by  David
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Anybody know where that saying came from?
And would this question qualify as a Linguistics question?
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David
SF Bay Area
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    Re: Pardon My French

    Thu, July 28, 2005 - 5:52 AM
    Good question. Being of French (Quebequois) descent, I've always wondered about that myself.
    • Re: Pardon My French

      Thu, July 28, 2005 - 7:30 AM
      "This phrase, in which French refers to 'bad language', is employed when the speaker feels compelled to use an obscenity despite having listeners who might be offended. It's a late 19th century euphemism which first appeared in Harper's Magazine in 1895."

      www.takeourword.com/Issue058.html

      Other examples of using 'French' as a modifier in a 'negative' sense: French kiss (originally thought shocking), French tickler, French letter (condom), French disease (syphillis), French leave, French postcards. I'd say this comes under the rubric of what folklorists call blaison populaire, ironically a French loan, or 'derogatory ethnic insult'.

      There are other suggested origins (e.g., 'seal' in French is phoque, which marginally sounds like fuck), but the one above seems the best.
      • Re: Pardon My French

        Thu, July 28, 2005 - 9:05 AM
        ok, "french leave" and "french postcards?"
        • Re: Pardon My French

          Thu, July 28, 2005 - 5:38 PM
          [i]ok, "french leave" and "french postcards?" [/i]

          en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Tran...ench_leave

          French postcards used to be postcards with pornographic pictures on them. Aka dirty postcards.
          • Re: Pardon My French

            Thu, July 28, 2005 - 10:18 PM
            You Linguists are awesome!

            Is there also a possibility that the connection has something to do with the fact that the french were very influential in global affairs in the early to mid 19th century. Hence an almost immediate desire by the global populous to create asociations to words, ideas, actions and so forth to them?
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              Re: Pardon My French

              Fri, July 29, 2005 - 11:19 PM
              So it's like America is the new France or France was the old America?
              • Re: Pardon My French

                Sat, July 30, 2005 - 12:54 AM
                Yeah. Like a fad.
                That is probably totally interconnected with a lot of these cross cultural language sharings (oh boy, I just realized I cant make up words in this tribe) that we have.
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                  Re: Pardon My French

                  Sat, July 30, 2005 - 10:17 PM
                  Why can't you make up words in this tribe? I find that most linguists are pretty liberal when it comes to language. They usually aren't prescriptive pedants if that's what your worried about. Those are usually people who don't know anything important about language.
            • Re: Pardon My French

              Fri, August 5, 2005 - 1:32 PM
              >almost immediate desire by the global populous to create asociations

              Yes, but no in this case. I don't think it's very flattering to have your language used as a euphemism for obscenities. If I belched and said "oh it's my English", I wouldn't be making many friends in England, speaking of which, the "excuse my French" might have something to do with the love affair between the French and the Brits.

              T

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