how do you show it in the roman alphabet : I can't find it there . . .
the tongue never touches the roof of the mouth . . . but you hear it in the word 'here' as in 'he<n>ya'
how do you show a nasal without the tongue going to the roof of the mouth in asci?
the tongue never touches the roof of the mouth . . . but you hear it in the word 'here' as in 'he<n>ya'
how do you show a nasal without the tongue going to the roof of the mouth in asci?
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Re: the south enya without the 'n'
Fri, March 23, 2007 - 4:17 PMHm. I forgot. Have to break out my Ladofoged text.
But, unfortunately, ASCII is terrible for diacritics. I almost always have to use Unicode.
Craig in Arcata
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Re: the south enya without the 'n'
Sat, March 24, 2007 - 7:45 AMI'm not really sure what it is you're asking, but you might want to look at the SAMPA site.
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Re: the south enya without the 'n'
Sat, March 31, 2007 - 4:05 PMUnicode is everywhere now and there's no reason to use SAMPA for anything. -
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Re: the south enya without the 'n'
Mon, April 30, 2007 - 5:10 PMThough most OSes support Unicode adequately, the software of many online forums and boards doesn't. That's why I find using SAMPA preferable to using ad-hoc English orthographese like enya for eñe (or tilde).
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Re: the south enya without the 'n'
Sat, March 31, 2007 - 4:08 PMDo you mean nasalized vowels like ã in Portuguese, or before n in French? -
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Re: the south enya without the 'n'
Fri, April 6, 2007 - 8:25 PMN?
somehow I doubt it . . .
the eee in 'heeee' ya!
is nasalized . . .
as in . . .
"you got to 'PayNNN'us' furst"
where they WANT to say "pass" . . . .
. . .
as in
you got to pass first
but it sounds like
you got to pay us first . . .
so, I took my daughter to get her driver's license . . . down around Warner Robbins AFB . . . south of Macon Jawjah
and she said I had to to pay her first when she meant my daughter had to PASS (the gaddamned driving test) furst . . . -
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Re: the south enya without the 'n'
Fri, April 13, 2007 - 9:01 PMOk, it sounds like you are talking about the nasal quality of much American English. I've also heard this described as a Midwestern feature. By definition it's not represented in standard written English. I haven't seen it in attempts to write down dialect either. I think Americans are not conscious of it as a phonemic feature, as opposed to a general tendency.
Americans learning French have a terrible time with the distinction between nasalized and unnasalized vowels. First, they're not conscious of it as a phonemic feature, and second, they're often told something like "breathe out a little through your nose while pronouncing the vowel" and can't figure out why they are unable to add more nasalization to their already (unconsciously) nasal American vowels.
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Re: the south enya without the 'n'
Mon, April 30, 2007 - 3:33 PMyes . . . I think that was what I was looking for . . . thanks!
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