the south enya without the 'n'

topic posted Fri, March 23, 2007 - 3:05 PM by 
how do you show it in the roman alphabet : I can't find it there . . .
the tongue never touches the roof of the mouth . . . but you hear it in the word 'here' as in 'he<n>ya'
how do you show a nasal without the tongue going to the roof of the mouth in asci?
  • Re: the south enya without the 'n'

    Sat, March 31, 2007 - 4:08 PM
    Do you mean nasalized vowels like ã in Portuguese, or before n in French?
    • Re: the south enya without the 'n'

      Fri, April 6, 2007 - 8:25 PM
      N?

      somehow I doubt it . . .

      the eee in 'heeee' ya!

      is nasalized . . .

      as in . . .


      "you got to 'PayNNN'us' furst"


      where they WANT to say "pass" . . . .

      . . .

      as in

      you got to pass first

      but it sounds like

      you got to pay us first . . .


      so, I took my daughter to get her driver's license . . . down around Warner Robbins AFB . . . south of Macon Jawjah

      and she said I had to to pay her first when she meant my daughter had to PASS (the gaddamned driving test) furst . . .
      • Re: the south enya without the 'n'

        Fri, April 13, 2007 - 9:01 PM
        Ok, it sounds like you are talking about the nasal quality of much American English. I've also heard this described as a Midwestern feature. By definition it's not represented in standard written English. I haven't seen it in attempts to write down dialect either. I think Americans are not conscious of it as a phonemic feature, as opposed to a general tendency.

        Americans learning French have a terrible time with the distinction between nasalized and unnasalized vowels. First, they're not conscious of it as a phonemic feature, and second, they're often told something like "breathe out a little through your nose while pronouncing the vowel" and can't figure out why they are unable to add more nasalization to their already (unconsciously) nasal American vowels.

        Are you asking how nasalization is represented in IPA? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasalization

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