Tribe.net. Local Connections Woloh http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#3658f407-60fd-48aa-9bd5-03fbe59bd404 2008-12-08T02:26:02Z 2008-12-08T02:26:02Z

People, you are mixing Rus and Russia. Belarus derives from Rus, and that's why it has only one S in it.

Woloh 2008-12-08T02:26:02Z Craig http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#73891ddc-27f9-4a56-9071-2ae8a9260411 2007-03-08T04:13:31Z 2007-03-08T04:13:31Z

Da! Spaseeba! Yech, that looks gross. How about: Да! Спасибо! Крэг Джунович в Аркейта

Craig 2007-03-08T04:13:31Z sonya http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#22c7a77c-d0dc-407f-970a-38cca1973aab 2007-03-06T20:12:09Z 2007-03-06T20:12:09Z

yes :) we must assume that Russia has generally treated Ukraine with as much disdain as possible, so it is a good guess.

sonya 2007-03-06T20:12:09Z Craig http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#67323069-5b8c-406d-b83c-48b939185a73 2007-03-06T19:40:23Z 2007-03-06T19:40:23Z

Sonyatchka! I've been waiting for your input on this! :-D Thanks so much! You've also answered my long simmering question about the phrase "Tsar of all the Russias." I'd heard the phrase, but didn't really know what it referred to. So I imagine Great Russia is Russia as we think of it, White Russia is Belorus, leaving . . "Little Russia" is, what, Ukraine? Craig in Little Arcata

Craig 2007-03-06T19:40:23Z sonya http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#3e0a516c-d685-4ab2-a0fd-46229489d2b1 2007-03-06T18:57:26Z 2007-03-06T18:57:26Z

Well, what is now Ukraine, Poland, Belorus and parts of Russia were, for centuries, known as Rus', Kievan Rus', or just Ruskaya Zemlya. Linguists arent entirely sure as to the etymology of the word Rus', but it has been posited that it is from the scandinavian word for "rowers". As for why it is called Belorus, it was nicknamed such in the 16th century when the tsar was known as Emperor of All Russias, Great, Little, and White.

sonya 2007-03-06T18:57:26Z Craig http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#52e303ca-41f3-4614-80dc-af92bbab8073 2007-02-13T16:54:56Z 2007-02-13T16:54:56Z

Daniel, thanks! Hm. I seem to recall the subtitles to the Eisenstein 30's film, Aleksandr Nevsky referring to "Rus," not "Russia". Craig in Arcata

Craig 2007-02-13T16:54:56Z Daniel http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#75c09f33-b23e-4083-9bf2-3cbaeb3561e4 2007-02-13T06:27:54Z 2007-02-13T06:27:54Z

As far as pronunciation is concerned, it sounds a lot like its East Slavic cousins -- more like Ukrainian than Russian, in that there's no 'g' sound, and the equivalent letter is pronounced like an h. But, then again, there's the distinctly West Slavic-sounding 'u kratkaia,' like the Polish crossed l, that imparts a /w/ sound. Byel- is byel- for white throughout the East Slavic world, as far as I know, and Belarusian historians are fond of pointing out that the concept of Rus' (see Kievan, etc.) as a Slavic polity predates or is distinct from the concept of Rossiya. Whether this is just nationalist fabrication I couldn't say. I've never seen a Russian-language document referring to Byelorossiya anywhere that I can think of, just to Belorusskaia respublika.

Daniel 2007-02-13T06:27:54Z Craig http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#ac5e759c-a912-437e-b4ea-fe669204aff3 2007-02-12T17:47:29Z 2007-02-12T17:47:29Z

I just Googled, and it appears there should be a soft sign (myaki znak) after the final "c". Craig in Arcata

Craig 2007-02-12T17:47:29Z Craig http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#ba1607e4-b000-48ad-bd7e-3e702888d3f1 2007-02-12T17:44:47Z 2007-02-12T17:44:47Z

Jheem: Thanks! Vindication! Craig in Arcata

Craig 2007-02-12T17:44:47Z Craig http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#b52e5f74-ef71-4b78-8d37-27c59643781b 2007-02-12T17:44:26Z 2007-02-12T17:44:26Z

Well, that's my point. If it were standard Russki, wouldn't it be Byalarosiya? I figured the pronunciation was akin to the South Slavic changes, such as in Bulgarian or Serbian, where vowels in Russian are "a' or "ya' turn to "e". I'm sure the two languages are semi-mutually intelligible, like Russian and Ukrainian, but I don't know where the differences lie. Craig in Arcata

Craig 2007-02-12T17:44:26Z Daniel http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#2a2f3522-a6af-4c49-bc12-4fac2f7b62d4 2007-02-12T17:36:44Z 2007-02-12T17:36:44Z

Not quite true -- Belarus (cyrillic Беларус) is the Belarusian term... the long form is Belaruskaia Respublika) the Russians call/ed it Belorus, or Belorusskaia Respublika. The CIA, for what it's worth, now uses Belarusian, as distinct from the old Russian/Soviet term Belorussian.

Daniel 2007-02-12T17:36:44Z Kip http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#b5d2ff07-00a6-42aa-ae1a-f7d812eadc89 2007-02-09T19:50:34Z 2007-02-09T19:50:34Z

Belarus is the russian name, meaning roughly White Russia. Since the "russia" is modified it is "rus". "Russia" is not called "Russia" in Russian in teh same way. Bellarussian is what i've always heard

Kip 2007-02-09T19:50:34Z jheem http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#88ec1d5a-20d6-4356-86e3-5d52401c234d 2007-02-09T17:55:02Z 2007-02-09T17:55:02Z

http://www.bartleby.com/61/72/B0167275.html

jheem 2007-02-09T17:55:02Z Craig http://linguistica.tribe.net/thread/fc83dd56-341e-4afe-8232-c1da00a8c9d3#512077e0-2f36-4350-98eb-a342bb1a5c42 2007-02-09T17:46:26Z 2007-02-09T17:46:26Z

Comrades: How do you pronounce the adjective from Belarus? I don't know enough of the linguistic differences between Belaruski (I'm guessing) and Russian, but since the country is called Belarus and not Belarussia or byalarosiya, I'm guessing I should call the language Belarusian, pronouncing is "bell-ah-ROO-see-uhn." Sonya, are you out there? Craig in Arcata

Craig 2007-02-09T17:46:26Z